[wrapper]

Hi all,

Already started this, but not had enough to tell if it's fake or real. My seller is good, but I know there's a lot of fake Apex going around. Taken a few pics, what do you all reckon?

Cheers!

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[Clubber Lang]

wrapper, on Jun 8 2009, 06:42 PM, said:

Well that's put my confidence back into it a little. A mate of mine wants this 350, so I'm going to swap him 350 for some Black Widow Cyp 300 - sound a good idea?

id swap if it was me

[wrapper]

Done the deed, I now have:

- 10ml Black Widow cypionate (300mg per ml)
- 5mg dbol tabs
- 2ml iranian 250mg test enanthate

And on the way:

- Tech lab(?) cypionate 200
- Norma dec (200mg per 2ml)

PCT I have:
- HCG
- Clomid
- and some Nolvadex on the way



This is my first course, so far I've done:

Weeks 1-3: 1ml test enanthate (every 3rd day) (total 7ml)
Weeks 4-7: 1ml apex t350 (every 3rd day) (total 10ml)
Week 8: 1ml test enanthate (every 3rd day) (total 3ml)
Weeks 9-14: 1ml test cypionate (every monday and thursday) (total 10ml) (DECCA HERE?)
->>> MORE HERE??
Weeks ???: PCT

I'm also running dbol tablets 30mg per day until I run out, and left over I'll have 10ml of test cypionate and 10ml of decca - shall I use this as well and extend the course to 19 weeks, or maybe throw the decca in on the last 5 weeks (where mentioned) and keep the 10ml of cypionate for next time?

What do you reckon?

[Monsieur Scaramanga]

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This is my first course, so far I've done:

Weeks 1-3: 1ml test enanthate (every 3rd day) (total 7ml)
Weeks 4-7: 1ml apex t350 (every 3rd day) (total 10ml)
Week 8: 1ml test enanthate (every 3rd day) (total 3ml)
Weeks 9-14: 1ml test cypionate (every monday and thursday) (total 10ml) (DECCA HERE?)
->>> MORE HERE??
Weeks ???: PCT

I'm also running dbol tablets 30mg per day until I run out, and left over I'll have 10ml of test cypionate and 10ml of decca - shall I use this as well and extend the course to 19 weeks, or maybe throw the decca in on the last 5 weeks (where mentioned) and keep the 10ml of cypionate for next time?

What do you reckon?

Imo thats way too many things for your first cycle , if you get problems your not going to have a clue whats caused it

too high doses , you could gain of a small ammount for a considerable ammount of time/cycles before needing a higher dose to gain and tbh you really dont want to be throwing decca in right at the end of a cycle it will make recovery harder and its a slow acting med too

keep it simple one compound at @ around 500mg pw would be my advice

nolva and clomid are fine for pct

hcg imo really wants to be used prior to pct and in lower ammounts around 500iu a time

[wrapper]

So leave the decca out? Just the cyp until week 14?

I'll hold on to 10ml of cyp and 10ml of decca for next time I suppose.

How long would you wait until PCT, what amounts would you suggest?

Cheers mate :)

[redneil75]

if you are concerned about water retention dbol is not the best idea.

[wrapper]

Nah water retention doesn't bother me too much.

I know this is totally off topic, but how much clomid per day would you recommend given the course and how long after the last injection? Also, how would you work the HCG?

I've got my own ideas, but I'd like to hear what you guys reckon...

[Monsieur Scaramanga]

wrapper, on 09 June 2009 - 07:46 AM, said:

So leave the decca out? Just the cyp until week 14?

I'll hold on to 10ml of cyp and 10ml of decca for next time I suppose.

How long would you wait until PCT, what amounts would you suggest?

Cheers mate :)

Yes mate just do the cyp

2 weeks from your last shot of cyp then start pct

if you've not run hcg throughout then i would do something like 500iu eod for 2weeks say weeks 13-14 of your cycle wait the 2 weeks after you finish the cyp then commence pct
but im sure opinions will differ ..

as for pct this will give you an idea of what you want to but its not set in stone there are other meds/combos available ...

Day 1 - Clomid 200mg + Nolvadex 40mg
Days 2- 10 - Clomid 50mg + Nolvadex 20mg
Days 11-20 - Clomid 50mg or Nolvadex 20mg

[wrapper]

Sorry to bring an old topic back up, do you inject HCG in the glute etc as normal or does it have to go in like HGH?

Am I best to start HCG the last week of the cycle? I've got 2 boxes (3 in each), so if I do one every other day while in the last week, and the same the week after (while introducing clomid and nolva)?

[Fah_Gedda_Boudit]

wrapper, on 29 June 2009 - 02:04 PM, said:

Sorry to bring an old topic back up, do you inject HCG in the glute etc as normal or does it have to go in like HGH?

Am I best to start HCG the last week of the cycle? I've got 2 boxes (3 in each), so if I do one every other day while in the last week, and the same the week after (while introducing clomid and nolva)?

You can inject hCG either sub-q or IM. Either way, you can use any site you want really.

That sin't enough info for us to go really, that you have 2 boxes of 3 each, as hCG comes in diferent doses per amp / vial, so you can't really discuss doses in the number of amps to shoot, how often etc.

What is the doseage of your hCG in IU's? It'll likely be either 1,500iu or 5,000iu per amp / vial, although I'm guessing it's O|raganon stuff (so in amps) as you've said there's 3 to each box?

Do you have any testicular atrophy?

[wrapper]

Yeah it's the O|raganon 1500iu stuff, 3 in a box and yeah balls have shrunk a little.

That help?

[wrapper]

wrapper, on 30 June 2009 - 04:49 PM, said:

Yeah it's the O|raganon 1500iu stuff, 3 in a box and yeah balls have shrunk a little.

That help?

Ok how's this sound (done a bit more diggin')

Hcg: I finish next Wednesday (last injection), gonna start 500iu every other day for 2 weeks from today.

Clomid: 3 days after last injection (test enanthate) do 200mg for one day, then 50mg for the rest until I run out while doin hcg.

Nolva: no soreness or anythin so going to do this 20mg per day until I run out

Sound ok?

Thanks guys, sorry for bein a pain in the ass, just first time and wanna get it spot on is all :)

[Fah_Gedda_Boudit]

^^^Just a quick one mate: I'll answer this later on today (assuming no one else has answered in the mean time: feel free guys) as I've got my hands full at the mo.

[wrapper]

Cheers mate :)

Is there anychance of movin pct threads to the right board? Totally gone off topic here and I don't think ppl are readin it for that reason thinkin were still talkin about duff apex lol

[Fah_Gedda_Boudit]

wrapper, on 01 July 2009 - 02:17 PM, said:

Cheers mate :)

Is there anychance of movin pct threads to the right board? Totally gone off topic here and I don't think ppl are readin it for that reason thinkin were still talkin about duff apex lol

Just start a new thread in the regular PED section, detailing what you've ran & for how long, your current PCT plan, what size hCG amps you have etc: will actually be a lot easier for guys to look over it & advise rather than skipping back & forth through several pages of a thread to find out what you've been on / duration etc