[wrapper]

Hi all,

Already started this, but not had enough to tell if it's fake or real. My seller is good, but I know there's a lot of fake Apex going around. Taken a few pics, what do you all reckon?

Cheers!

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[cbmuscle]

water retention is a big factor when using test as it converts readily to estrogen casuing bloat/fat ect. so if no retention while using nothing to stop the bloat its obvious ur apex isnt up to scratch.
then again evryone is different some people will not bloat as much as others. down to genetics bro.

and as for black widow, good ugl wouldnt have a problem with there meds.
try to track down some proviron/adex or nolva to have on hand ready reduce some bloat if u run into this.

[wrapper]

Yeah, I mean I've gone from 16stone 9 to 17 stone 10, and I'm leaner and more vascular than ever, but its the water retaining that worries.

Peeved that the past 4 weeks of this stuff has been wasted, not to mention the money.

[cbmuscle]

evryone i recon has ran into using duff gear once or twice.
i used duff apex t-350 a while back with f***all gains.
makes you more aware though next time purchasing from your source ( a good thing)

[wrapper]

Absolutely ^^^

Just hope the dbol I'm running helps add some size until I can get some more stuff :-/

[wrapper]

Just ordered 10ml of test cyp 200 and 10ml of decca along with the dbol I'm running. Standard course I know, but hopefully just get this back on track.

Is decca worth it, I've heard about "decca-d*ck" which puts me off - is there a better alternative?

[cbmuscle]

ha hope this is not apex bro!

with the test it should avoid this, run proviron maybee?
ime ive ran twice the amount of test compared to deca ona weekly dosage.

deca dick normally occurs when deca is the only compound in body or theres a much higher ratio of deca to say test.as it eventually completely shuts you down.
say. running deca longer than test will give this.
ADVICE - run test a further 1-2 weeks after last deca jab to be 'safe'

[Fah_Gedda_Boudit]

wrapper, on Jun 7 2009, 05:02 PM, said:

Is decca worth it, I've heard about "decca-d*ck" which puts me off - is there a better alternative?

You're just goign to have to try it & find out for yourself really mate. So called deca dick isn't a universal reaction to Deca by any means.

[wrapper]

Haha nah man this guy doesn't deal in cr*p!

I'm gonna run the cyp every 3 or 4 days and then the recommended amount of decca. He's getting some Suss 350 in soon, so afterwards I'll get some of that... this guy is quite expensive (not sure if forum rules let me post prices?), but he tests the stuff etc - well known to be spot on all the time.

Definitely not going to be messing around with crap anymore, not for money's sake but for time's sake!

Is there a better alternative to decca? Equipoise I've been told is one?

Cheers guys

[Fah_Gedda_Boudit]

wrapper, on Jun 7 2009, 01:30 PM, said:

I'm not so sure if this is real. I'm doing 1ml every 3 days (so one week 1k the next 700mg) and aside from libido going up, bit of size there's not much else going on. My strength hasn't gone up too much, and I'm not carrying any water - are these usual traits?

Not uncommon. Water retention is often vastly overblown on forums, & not everyone gains shed loads of strength on gear. Your libido is up, you've gained size, doesn't sound particulary bad at all.

wrapper, on Jun 7 2009, 04:10 PM, said:

Yeah, I mean I've gone from 16stone 9 to 17 stone 10, and I'm leaner and more vascular than ever, but its the water retaining that worries.

Peeved that the past 4 weeks of this stuff has been wasted, not to mention the money.

So you're up 15lbs in 4 weeks, yeah?

wrapper, on Jun 7 2009, 06:56 PM, said:

Haha nah man this guy doesn't deal in cr*p!

Despite what I've said above, how can you be sure of this?

wrapper, on Jun 7 2009, 06:56 PM, said:

this guy is quite expensive (not sure if forum rules let me post prices?), but he tests the stuff etc - well known to be spot on all the time.

No, you cannot post prices, sorry mate. He tests the stuff? Testing is very difficult to get done, & either costs a lot of cash, or involves knowing a friendly academic / post grad / lab employee with access to kit.

wrapper, on Jun 7 2009, 06:56 PM, said:

Is there a better alternative to decca? Equipoise I've been told is one?

As above, you're just going to have to try them both on different cycles & see which you prefer. Only solid answer I can give you on that one mate.

[wrapper]

Size - couldn't be down to the enanthate? The gains seems to have stalled lately...

I just think I'd have put more size on given 1000mg of test!

Not sure on testing, I know he does test though. He's a few quid more expensive, but well known for not selling shit. Guess I'm just going to have to try, but he's renown for being the best in my area.

I've gone 9 weeks so far, what's the longest I should stay on for? PCT is sorted too btw.

[Fah_Gedda_Boudit]

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Size - couldn't be down to the enanthate? The gains seems to have stalled lately...

It's going to have contributed, yeah. Stalled, or slowed? When did they start to stall or slow?

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I've gone 9 weeks so far, what's the longest I should stay on for? PCT is sorted too btw.

I misread, i thought you'd only been on the Apex 4 weeks, plus 3 weeks on Test E.

I'd suggest 10-15 weeks first time around, with 12 weeks being what most on forums go for. There isn't going to be much difference in terms of recovery between 10, 12 & 15 weeks, although you may get more visible testicular atrophy with 15 weeks.

[wrapper]

No, did 7ml of enanthate, every 3rd day, for 3 weeks and then 10ml of 350 every 3 days since and I've just finished my first 10ml bottle.

Gains plateaued about 2 weeks ago, but were steady before then.

[firest0rm]

I noticed very little water retention on my test cycle, and I went quite high with my dose too.

One thing I noticed is people will gain a big amount of mass in the first few weeks but then gains stop. But, one thing I have to ask, have you increased your calories? If you were 500 calories over maintenance 14lbs previously have you increased your calories to be 500 over maintenance post 14lb increase? Steroids won't just add on mass indefinitely without an increase in cals, you'll get to a point where you'll just stall. This doesn't just happen on injectables but orals too.

[jef]

very individual reaction whether you suffer bad water retention or not - its dicated by genetic response, but also largley by your diet.

there are people on here who respo0nd very differently to the same drugs.

[wrapper]

Well that's put my confidence back into it a little. A mate of mine wants this 350, so I'm going to swap him 350 for some Black Widow Cyp 300 - sound a good idea?