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Posted 07 August 2011 - 11:01 PM

I asked an endocrinologist about this and he seemed to think that theres no need for PCT.

He said that homeostasis means the body will return back to its natural state by itself and that all it needs is time to do it.

Although from a bodybuilders perspective, its important to control estrogen rebound to prevent fat gain and gyno so therefore PCT is important for most of us?


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Posted 08 August 2011 - 02:08 AM



like i said tho bro im struggling with coin buying hcg,clomid,nolva and proviron as well as the natural supps u said is going to set me back bout £100 witch is alot to someone who's skint as fuck lol

If you're really hard up & want to use a med for PCT I'd probably go for letro as a little goes a long way & both pharma & UGL are pretty cheap. You'll need input from others regarding doses / duration though as I've never used it for PCT. Personally I'd want to use HCG for a while at a lowish dose alongside it, but if you can't afford it, you can't afford it & need to go with what you can afford.

If libido is important, could look at either trib (works for some, not for others) as it's reasonably cheap or maybe prov / & or cock pills as & when needed for wood if you're struggling. Neither trib or prov are going to help you recover as such, they'll just make it feel easier.

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Posted 08 August 2011 - 07:41 AM

Trib totally work on me for libido, i use MP's 90% sapponins 300mg. genuinely surprised how quickly they work too.
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Posted 08 August 2011 - 07:54 AM

Keep an eye on Hcg doses otherwise a bra will be on your shopping list too.

Personally I'd just stay on until next month when you can afford the meds. Save what you can afford to spend on the meds this month and add it to next month and then you'll have a better budget.
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Posted 08 August 2011 - 07:54 AM

As fgb said - HCG all the way!

Libido wise Ive never had trouble, but I'm amazed at dostinex!!! Using it for 19nor gyno and it's fucking crazy!! Loving it, and it works a treat!

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Posted 08 August 2011 - 09:33 AM

As fgb said - HCG all the way!

Libido wise Ive never had trouble, but I'm amazed at dostinex!!! Using it for 19nor gyno and it's fucking crazy!! Loving it, and it works a treat!


Why's it crazy mate?

I'll be running generic caber in my deca/test cycle soon
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Posted 08 August 2011 - 09:40 AM

Why's it crazy mate?

I'll be running generic caber in my deca/test cycle soon

Gyno is almost none existent after a week of eod use while still using tren! Sex drive is phenomenal and sex itself is even better... Apparently it can aid multiple orgasm for men?!

Definately should be part of a pct plan unless there's a better reason why not?

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Posted 08 August 2011 - 09:53 AM

i dont buy into this multiple orgasm thing at all. i would have to stay awake after the first one :tongue:

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Posted 08 August 2011 - 09:56 AM

Lmao :D

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Posted 08 August 2011 - 10:18 AM

Gyno is almost none existent after a week of eod use while still using tren! Sex drive is phenomenal and sex itself is even better... Apparently it can aid multiple orgasm for men?!

Definately should be part of a pct plan unless there's a better reason why not?


Don't think its the drug doing that mate, well it is, technically. Because of the reduction in prolactin sex drive shouldn't be suppressed and elevated test will make you a horny devil, lol.

That's why I questioned using prov in a deca cycle while running caber. If its just to increase sex drive prov shouldn't be needed as prolactin is reduced by the caber
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Posted 08 August 2011 - 10:23 AM

How much u running wrapper?

Think I was gonna start at 0.25 E3D
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Posted 08 August 2011 - 10:42 AM

Don't think its the drug doing that mate, well it is, technically. Because of the reduction in prolactin sex drive shouldn't be suppressed and elevated test will make you a horny devil, lol.

That's why I questioned using prov in a deca cycle while running caber. If its just to increase sex drive prov shouldn't be needed as prolactin is reduced by the caber

No mate - there was a study and this was found. Didn't believe it myself until I tried it!

I'm using 1 tab (.5mg?) eod

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Posted 08 August 2011 - 11:25 AM

No mate - there was a study and this was found. Didn't believe it myself until I tried it!

I'm using 1 tab (.5mg?) eod


Fair enough pal.

Quite a high dose there, you gonna stay running that?

I have prov and caber to run, not sure which to try first as running both will be a waste of meds.

Probs best to run caber and leave the prov but I don't want to run the caber if I don't have to
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Posted 08 August 2011 - 11:28 AM

Male pornstars run a lot of caber. Jus' saying..
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Posted 08 August 2011 - 12:32 PM

Fair enough pal.

Quite a high dose there, you gonna stay running that?

I have prov and caber to run, not sure which to try first as running both will be a waste of meds.

Probs best to run caber and leave the prov but I don't want to run the caber if I don't have to

Not sure it's high? Generally it's taken every 3 days though?

I got some pharma prov too, havent touched it yet though... I'd probably become a rapist if I did ATM... :-/




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