[fat_lad_uk]

hi all, whos used these and how did you find them, sides ect...?

[AlriteGeezer]

i have used tbol, ran it for 3 weeks @ 80mgs ED then bumped the dose up to 100mg for 4 weeks IIRC... it was a really nice med IME lean gains, good strength too! and zero sides for me. I didnt notice any difference between the doses.. so when i run it again ill just stick to 80mg. Thinking about using it again this summer, although in terms of low sides and good gains.. im a little swayed towards low dose dbol. Cant comment on the Var though.. never used it!

[fat_lad_uk]

ok thanks i was going to run tbol 40mg a day for 8 wks but i guess this isnt going to be enough, this is my first course of anything

[AlriteGeezer]

well if its your first course bro, i would opt for at least 60mg ED... it will shut you down though! What PCT you got planned?

[fat_lad_uk]

ok thanks, to be honest i didnt think i would of needed a pct, what kind would you suggest?

[AlriteGeezer]

fat_lad_uk, on 06 February 2010 - 08:19 PM, said:

ok thanks, to be honest i didnt think i would of needed a pct, what kind would you suggest?

yes mate... you will definatly need to run pct as is the case when you run any AAS. Var and Tbol are mild meds but will still shut you down making it harder to keep gains. You will be fine with a standard Nolva PCT. Im not sure off the top of my head... but i think PCT Will start the day after your last tabs... not sure though... might wanna research that one

Day 1 - 100mg

following 10days - 60mg ED (days 2-11)

following 10days - 40mg ED (days 11-21)

[fat_lad_uk]

ok thanks alot, i will have a read up about it

[DirtyB]

I would pick anavar over tbol any day..

don't rate tbol at all..

PCT wise

starting day after last anavar pill

day 1-7 - clomid 100mg & nolva 40mg both ED
day 8-28 clomid 50mg & Nolva 20mg both ED

imo

[Barry]

Dirtyb what dont you like about tbol?

Tbol has got to be my favorate oral for the following resons:

It has an equal anabolic ratio to testosterone without the sides associated with testosterone.
Quality lean muscle gains.
Good strength increase.
It dose not conver to estrogen so water retetion (bloat) & gyno are not seen.
It dose not conver to DHT nor is it very androgenic so hair loss is not a worry at a moderate dose.
No acne.

For me gains to sides tbol is the best oral steroid for muscle gains.

I do however really like var, I use both these oral but for different reasons, tbol stacked with low dose test for lean bulking & var stacked with low dose test for cutting as I like the muscle hardening effect from var.

Both these orals are great, only down side I can find is the effect on lipid profiles.

[werdna]

Both good meds ime.

I do prefer var for the better strength gains and hardness but like tbol for the nice full look it gives me even when low on cals/carbs.

[mattyb009]

Sorry to thread high jack but would either be suitable as a kicker?

dont get on so well with d-bol.

[DirtyB]

Barry, on 07 February 2010 - 10:44 PM, said:

Dirtyb what dont you like about tbol?

Tbol has got to be my favorate oral for the following resons:

It has an equal anabolic ratio to testosterone without the sides associated with testosterone.
Quality lean muscle gains.
Good strength increase.
It dose not conver to estrogen so water retetion (bloat) & gyno are not seen.
It dose not conver to DHT nor is it very androgenic so hair loss is not a worry at a moderate dose.
No acne.

For me gains to sides tbol is the best oral steroid for muscle gains.

I do however really like var, I use both these oral but for different reasons, tbol stacked with low dose test for lean bulking & var stacked with low dose test for cutting as I like the muscle hardening effect from var.

Both these orals are great, only down side I can find is the effect on lipid profiles.

Bazzzzzzzzzza!

I didn't notice much at all from tbol tbh, best orals for me are dbol,winny & var.

pretty simple, you can show me studies all day on what has better ratios,hat converts less etc.. But if I use it and don't like it, thats the best test for me!

besides, u'll never get a result from oral like u will from tren!

[Barry]

DirtyB, on 08 February 2010 - 10:00 AM, said:

Bazzzzzzzzzza!

I didn't notice much at all from tbol tbh, best orals for me are dbol,winny & var.

pretty simple, you can show me studies all day on what has better ratios,hat converts less etc.. But if I use it and don't like it, thats the best test for me!

besides, u'll never get a result from oral like u will from tren!

What brand of tbol did you use?

Wasnt having a go or anything mate, what works for one may not work for another as we all react differently to things.

Of course you can only get so much from orals as doses can't be ran as high as injectables & no oral can compare to tren.

I suffer bad from sides such as acne, MPB & I hate getting bloat, tbol offers the best gains with the least sides.

This post has been edited by Barry: 08 February 2010 - 01:29 PM

[Ares]

mattyb009, on 08 February 2010 - 01:31 AM, said:

Sorry to thread high jack but would either be suitable as a kicker?
dont get on so well with d-bol.

Cant comment on T-Bol as have never used it.

Wouldnt use anavar as a kicker - it takes a good few weeks to start to see the effects from it.

I love it, used it for 8 weeks last year at 60mg - got great pumps, vascularity went nuts and strength also increased whilst i was in calorie deficit - can't really ask for more.

[mick_the_brick]

I like both meds TBH..

Have ran var on it's own for 16 weeks @ 100mg ED.

For a kicker I would use Tbol TBH