[tisc]

Ladies/gents ten days in to cut i gradually lowered things down for 7- 8days now officially cutting


this was the bulk - cut ammendments in red

stats
5ft 5 - 90 kg - prob about 17% bf

gear

700mg test
350 mg tren
50mg t3
eca now and again

meals

upon waking - 30 g unflavoured in water

45 mins later

meal 1 - 7 eggs 3 yolks cooked in evoo - 2 yolks
100g oats - in semi skimmed - 70 g oats
40g nuts (brazils,almnds,walnuts) - train post breakie so dont take nuts on
1 tb of cotage cheese - 30g of whey
1 piece of fruit

1 hr later
pre wrkt - 35g of whey + apple - Train 1 hour weights 45 min cross trainer sscv

intra workout- 15-20g of bcaa , 5g glutamine

pwo
meal 2
50g waxy - 40g waxy
50g protein


1 hour late
meal 3
100g of wholemeal pasta - 70g of wholemeal pasta
1 large chicjen breast
1 large salad - evo oil
fruit
1 put of quark - 1 scoop of whey in water

meal 4
200g of fish/red meat
loads of brocoli
avacado
50g of rice
fruit
30g of whey

meal 5
1 pot of cottage cheese or quark
1 monster spoon of penut paste
blueberrys or strawberris

meal 6 - pre bed
40g of casein
300ml of semi skimmed - replaced with 300ml of unsweetend soya
30 g of nuts
40 g of oats

Advice from cutting sadist welcomed


many thanks

[tio]

That will cut weight from you quite quickly i would imagine.

Also be very careful with ECA and T3, your heart rate and blood pressure can sky rocket.

[tisc]

tio, on 03 February 2010 - 07:36 PM, said:

That will cut weight from you quite quickly i would imagine.

Also be very careful with ECA and T3, your heart rate and blood pressure can sky rocket.

ta tio for your thoughts - just wanna introduce things back in gradually when i come off in order not to put lots of blubber back on

in regards eca - took it a few days did take it mid weights session as to kick in for sscv so that i can be bothered to do the sscv on cross trainer and so my heart dont explode on my heavy lifts or weight training as my heart rate goes up quite alot when pushing weights. Infact its one of those stims that i like it when am on but hate myself afterwards when the shit wears off.


so sat will be about the 2 week mark really fancy a few burgers or pizzas, what do you think to this cheat meal thoery ? ive alwasy though it to be counterproductive ( never beeen down with the cheat meal theory prior, but if its gonna help then why the fcuk not - it may keep my sane )

[tio]

I dont subscribe to cheat meals i.e. junk fests.

Treat yes, but i dont like the notion of a cheat as in its wrong to enjoy something.

Refeeds are good if youre low carbing, but you arent low carbing. So if you fancy a treat, drop one of your meals and have a treat instead.

Be careful when you come off if you are trying to cut, you stand a higher chance of tissue loss.

[tisc]

tio, on 03 February 2010 - 09:41 PM, said:

I dont subscribe to cheat meals i.e. junk fests. - thought you woul say that

Treat yes, but i dont like the notion of a cheat as in its wrong to enjoy something.

Refeeds are good if youre low carbing, but you arent low carbing. So if you fancy a treat, drop one of your meals and have a treat instead.

Be careful when you come off if you are trying to cut, you stand a higher chance of tissue loss.

why so about when i come off (tissue loss)- i will prob drop most cardio and gradually up cals

[tio]

I dont know about how to maintain tissue on your diet because its very person specific, i do know that if you try to cut almost everyone has lost tissue coming straight from the off.

Keep at it for a few months, get a less harsher routine and try to maintain your mass while you recover, then maybe a rejig. Learn from your mistakes and adjust so that it doesn't happen again.

What u mean by cheat meals is that if you reinforce the desire it will not go away, ignore it enough and rejig your thinking and youll find you lose the taste and desire for it, thus making your life easier. Im not sayng be boring, what im saying is over that takeaway pizza, would you rather make your own pizza which could be far tastier and reverse your thinking of the negativity of "cheating" and reinforce the positivity of "treating".

Apologies if ive waffled on a bit here.

[tisc]

Ta Tio

I hear you about the make it yourself version - i do this for my burgers get the lean steak mince and make myself leaving out all the shite e.g salts, grits, bread crumbs and add flavours: oninon, garlic, chilli, oregano, english mustard.


used 1 of those online calorie and macro counter today do you mind having a look

totals
Nutrition Summary Calories (kcal) 3265 Protein (g) 371.0 Carbohydrate (g) 163.8 Fat (g) 127.8 Fibre (g) 22.0 Fruit & Veg 4.7

macros
Percent Calories From: Carbohydrate (18.9%) Protein (45.7%) Fat (35.4%)

[tio]

dont go by calculators.

Monitor what you eat, and adjust from there.

[All4n]

I think you have realised this but just incase please note tisc that tio is talking about the physological response/requirment for cheat meals rather that physiological. For some a junk fest works well, but it's not for everyone. I think largely people will very good insulin sensitivity and fast metabolisms are suited to it.

[andyboro]

Im not going to comment on the diet because, quite honestly - i think the only person that can really answer that is you.

Up until recently i failed miserably every single time i tried to cut and it was, IMO totally because i spent too much time listening to everyone else and not enough listening to myself.. All i would suggest is to start slowly, keep it consistant and monitor how you go until you find that balance between a sufficient deficit and running yourself into the ground.

completely agree with TIO's cheat/treat theory though.. stopping that urge to misbehave is a huge step in the right direction in itself.