[stewedw]

as above, do these look legit?

cheers

[Fah_Gedda_Boudit]

Pics aren't crystal clear & going from memory as i don't have any to hand, they look as though they should so should think they are legit. That said, I've never seen any eividence to support the claim these are heavily faked like some say. How often do you see pics of confirmed fakes? I don't recall ever seeing one personally. They probably exist, but there hardkly common. Unlike definately heavily faked products, eg Norma Deca / Yellow Top Deca, there's no common knowledge regarding consistent key mistakes to look out for, so to me that says either the fakes are indistinguishable from the real deal or they aren't heavily faked. Given that they are sold to just about anyone by the manufacturer or one of their distributors (as long as you buy several thousand at a time!) & are pretty cheap wholseale, I'd go for the latter, but then again that's just a semi-informed guess TBH.

Anyway, if it helps:

Fill level, amps shape / height should be consistent. I've never seen an underfilled one, so would be very vary of any that are.

Oil is always very thick.

Man / Exp dates on the amps should wipe off pretty easily with an alcohol swab. Everything else should remain intact, & it's always reasonably sharp text / logo, not blurry / like Niles etc.

The actual individual box specific Man / Exp / Batch info on the boxes is always tightly grouped / aligned in a "box" area (it will be printed "as one" as it goes down the production line) & this tight grouping should't align neatly / precisely with the corresponding pre-printed sections for this info on the box. If those were all alligned, something is wrong, ie all the info has been printed on when the box has been manufactured, which no pharma company is ever goign to do, so IMo that's be a fake.

Should be a definite scoreline directly below the dot.

[TREBOR]

Fah_Gedda_Boudit, on 20 December 2009 - 11:44 AM, said:

Fill level, amps shape / height should be consistent. I've never seen an underfilled one, so would be very vary of any that are.

FGB you say the height should be consistent is that for definate mate,ive used iranians in the past and some of the amps have had different length snap off ends.

These came from a well respected source and worked very well with all the signs of being test.

[Fah_Gedda_Boudit]

TREBOR, on 20 December 2009 - 04:06 PM, said:

FGB you say the height should be consistent is that for definate mate,ive used iranians in the past and some of the amps have had different length snap off ends.

Within reason, IME yes. What i mean isn't exactly the same height, but I've never personally seen any with large variations inbetween them. I'll have a look for pics to show you what I mean by a "large" variation as obviously it's a bit subjective as to what constitutes "large" (plus it looks exaggerated in big pics compared to a maybe 2' / 50mm ish amp in your hand) . Seem to think there's a pic in MT's counterfeit thread (can't remember what the amps are, seem to recall maybe Nicholas Piramel Cyp or Deca but could be wrong) where there's what i would personally consider to be a "large" difference in height between several amps. If you look at some types of amps, they also vary quite a bit in shape around the neck / top, to the extent that the difference in shape is very obvious (& again, think the pics I'm talking about on MT show this too). I've not seen this with Iranians either, not to any obvious level..

I'm also talking about ones from the same batches. It's possible that the manufacturer changed machinery inbetween certain batches, for example, so you might see a difference betwen batches. They've changed logo's etc before now, so not daft to assume they may have bought newer kit at some point, maybe a factory refit or something. Again, speculation really as not as if I've visited the factory!

I'll have a gander for those pics hopefully today mate.

[Fah_Gedda_Boudit]

http://www.muscletal...d-m2433076.aspx

^^^^The Nicholas Cyp (1st page, 3rd post) is an example of what I mean by large differences in heights & also neck / shoulder shape mate.

Also some pics of Iranians in their (PB has a link to them in the 1st post) which show a lot less variation in height / shape than the Nicholas amps.

Does that help to explain what i mean mate? It's pretty difficult to accurately describe what you mean when you're talking about variations in an amp that's maybe 2' tall, so thouhgt pics would give a better picture (pun intended!) of what i mean.

[TREBOR]

Ive had amps in the same tray that have been noticeably different,shorter more bulbous snap off end others longer more slender.

Maybe these were fakes but they did work and got all the signs of using test,water bloat,increase libido,oily skin.

Suppose it goes to show that you don't really know what your getting even if its from a reliable source.

Be interested in seeing those pics if you come across them mate.

[TREBOR]

Cheers for the link mate,can you check your PM

[Fah_Gedda_Boudit]

TREBOR, on 20 December 2009 - 04:42 PM, said:

Be interested in seeing those pics if you come across them mate.

Above mate, found 'em really quick as they were on the first page....luckily...that thread is running at over 80 pages & i had visions of having to wade through most of them before finding the pics I was looking for!!!

I think it's a very subjective subject personally, the shape issue.

On the oil thickness though, jef was saying how he had some really thin ones once, which he was very suspect about (as i would be, every one I've had has been like treacle unheated, i assume due to either a lack of / lower level of BA?), but of course the source swore blind they were legit! That is as close as I've aware os a confirmed fake as I've come across: like i said before, there's a lot of common knowledge about fake Norma Deca etc as to how to spot a fake, but none about Iranians...which seems odd that for a cheap product the fakers can allegedly get their copies bang on, but they can't for expensive stuff like EU Pharma Deca. Not saying fakes don't exist mind, only that i don't think the market is flooded with them like it is with EU Deca. Another reason i think this is the underdosing issue. Lots of guys think some batches are underdosed, but almost none say totally bunk. If it was UGL manufactured test inside these underdosed ones, how come the UGL manufacturing them can make them painless 99.99999% of the time (how often do you see PIP reported with Iranians?), but none of the UGL's can with their own brands? Doesn't seem logical IMO, although again that's an opinion & not a "fact".

Again, could be wrong tho! There's only one time I can confidently say I've had 100% guaranteed legit Pharma gear from inside the UK, & that was UK Sust off a guy who had a prescription for it. Everything else, i can't be 100% confident, no matter what the source says. Reasonably confident, yeah, but not 100%.

[stewedw]

Fah_Gedda_Boudit, on 20 December 2009 - 05:12 PM, said:

Above mate, found 'em really quick as they were on the first page....luckily...that thread is running at over 80 pages & i had visions of having to wade through most of them before finding the pics I was looking for!!!

I think it's a very subjective subject personally, the shape issue.

On the oil thickness though, jef was saying how he had some really thin ones once, which he was very suspect about (as i would be, every one I've had has been like treacle unheated, i assume due to either a lack of / lower level of BA?), but of course the source swore blind they were legit! That is as close as I've aware os a confirmed fake as I've come across: like i said before, there's a lot of common knowledge about fake Norma Deca etc as to how to spot a fake, but none about Iranians...which seems odd that for a cheap product the fakers can allegedly get their copies bang on, but they can't for expensive stuff like EU Pharma Deca. Not saying fakes don't exist mind, only that i don't think the market is flooded with them like it is with EU Deca. Another reason i think this is the underdosing issue. Lots of guys think some batches are underdosed, but almost none say totally bunk. If it was UGL manufactured test inside these underdosed ones, how come the UGL manufacturing them can make them painless 99.99999% of the time (how often do you see PIP reported with Iranians?), but none of the UGL's can with their own brands? Doesn't seem logical IMO, although again that's an opinion & not a "fact".

Again, could be wrong tho! There's only one time I can confidently say I've had 100% guaranteed legit Pharma gear from inside the UK, & that was UK Sust off a guy who had a prescription for it. Everything else, i can't be 100% confident, no matter what the source says. Reasonably confident, yeah, but not 100%.

cheers guys -- yeah the oil s mega thick compared to what me and my ate have used recently -- goes in fine though and smooth as heck. not used this in 2 years but pretty good. its for my pal but I couldn't resist trying it ;)

[ash89]

got a box to hand they look legitamate to me although as had been sed pictures can b decieving but always found they work the best seeing results from second week


just got to b smart if they look abit dodgey dnt take them what some people seem to forget there cut up an traded like ne other from of drug there are wankers out there that are just init for the money